CLOSED Report for Scamming

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teejayteejay95

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IGN of Accuser: Stilbon
IGN of Accused: Asianbooki3#1300 (IGN: MomoSenpai)
Offence(s) Committed: Scamming
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Additional Comments: Item involves a Doll's Nightwear. Buyer first reserved an item, thereafter bids for another of the same item at a cheaper rate from others and subsequently withdrew from the reservation.
 

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IGN of Accuser: Stilbon
IGN of Accused: Asianbooki3#1300 (IGN: MomoSenpai)
Offence(s) Committed: Scamming
Reporting Evidence:


Additional Comments: Item involves a Doll's Nightwear. Buyer first reserved an item, thereafter bids for another of the same item at a cheaper rate from others and subsequently withdrew from the reservation.

Kindly provide evidence in which associates the Discord account with the indicated IGN.
 

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Kindly provide evidence in which associates the Discord account with the indicated IGN.

Player has yet verify himself in the Discord channel however, he sent me a screenshot of his in game image which shows his IGN.
Attached is the image that he has sent to me via discord.


Also, he has posted a thread in the forums which associates his Discord account with the indicated IGN.

 

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I'm gonna explain this in a very simple way, as u can see i said NO, TWICE. Back to back i said NO!!!! before that "continue to sell" is misleading, but i mean u can just sell it and i did mentioned that im not gonna donate and buy bcos of the current state of the game. I'm js curious because everyone is selling Doll's Nightwear at 17~18k, He said someone offered him 20k str8 but he didnt sell it, so im js wondering if he's trying to jack up the price. To be fair and square i did tell him to reserve it for me, but i also said im not gonna donate n buy after... Isnt that clear enough? After that if i find someone selling at a lower price, rationally i think everyone will buy at a lower price? it's not like I bid on 2 item at the same time.. It js happen that i see someone selling a doll in-game for a lower price..
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the previous ss is too small so i submit another clear n bigger one. thank you.

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One more thing, from his screenshot it looked like i found someone who sell cheaper than him and i dont wanna buy his doll's, but actually u can see from the timeline, it is after i told him that im not gonna buy then i see someone smega in-game... I didnt double bid :(
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I'm sorry if there's any misunderstanding in btwn the communication, i apologize, but i did say no when he said reserve for me, i said it twice back to back i said no....
 
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First things first, when you said you're trying to make things simpler, from the way you pictured yourself i think you're trying to make it complicated by denying the fact that you've breached an agreement made first hand and thereafter denying it. As attached in my first post, it is clear that you have already made the reservation for the doll's nightwear and that you needed time to gather DP before making the transaction(be it selling your items OR donating - you said it yourself in discord).

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so im js wondering if he's trying to jack up the price
is a very serious accusation that you've made to me for committing a fraud. Attached is the evidence that, IGN: Inarin Discord: Fluffysaurus#3600 , is willing to bid for the doll's at 20k highest.


Therefore, instead of continuously trying to ask for bids I asked the accused if he would like to bid anything above 20k. That is how we came to an agreement of selling the doll's for 21k. Attached is the evidence of the accused saying that he is OK to buy it for 21k.


Last but not least, I would like to reiterate that after coming to an agreement for a reservation of item and withdrawing thereafter, you've breached the Terms of Service under Section 2.4 and also 2.6, whereby you have requested for a reservation of item, deceiving the other party(which is me) with the perception of completing a transaction and also withdrawing an item which has yet passed the grace period of 7 days since date of sale.
 
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iMitsuha

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Please stop bringing back the previous conversation. Yes we agree on the price, but i told u that u can keep selling the item bcos I dont know how long it gonna take to sell my nx, you agree too, then after that u contact me again u said "bro i think i js reserve for you", I said NO and i give u my reason why.. That's all, im not gonna argue on this matter any further, i uploaded my side of the story to defend myself and wat i told u. I SAID NO. thank you.
 
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I'm gonna explain this in a very simple way, as u can see i said NO, TWICE. Back to back i said NO!!!! before that "continue to sell" is misleading, but i mean u can just sell it and i did mentioned that im not gonna donate and buy bcos of the current state of the game. I'm js curious because everyone is selling Doll's Nightwear at 17~18k, He said someone offered him 20k str8 but he didnt sell it, so im js wondering if he's trying to jack up the price. To be fair and square i did tell him to reserve it for me, but i also said im not gonna donate n buy after... Isnt that clear enough? After that if i find someone selling at a lower price, rationally i think everyone will buy at a lower price? it's not like I bid on 2 item at the same time.. It js happen that i see someone selling a doll in-game for a lower price..
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the previous ss is too small so i submit another clear n bigger one. thank you.

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One more thing, from his screenshot it looked like i found someone who sell cheaper than him and i dont wanna buy his doll's, but actually u can see from the timeline, it is after i told him that im not gonna buy then i see someone smega in-game... I didnt double bid :(
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I'm sorry if there's any misunderstanding in btwn the communication, i apologize, but i did say no when he said reserve for me, i said it twice back to back i said no....

Kindly provide further evidence in which indicates the date that you declined the offer for reservation and elaborate on the evidence provided in the accuser's post indicating you agreeing to a reservation, which the evidence you have provided is contrary of.
 

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Thank you for replying Spyro. So here's the date of I'm making a reservation 15/9/2020. From the conversation you can see he asked me is it possible to deal by Sunday, but i told him that I will confirm him on Friday because I don't know how long it gonna take to sell my NX. So he said "I will just write as reserved" , so at this point the item isn't really reserved yet because I told him that I will confirm him on Friday. At the same date as you can see 15/9/2020, after a while trying hard to sell my nx in-game and get no respond, i told him that he can continue to sell his item, I said I might wait till someone buy my nx then I top up and buy, he agreed. Then on the next day 16/9/2020 evening, he pm me said "I think I just reserve for you", and i replied NO, and i told him to sell it to the person who offer him 18k or 20k it's such a waste not to sell it. As the conversation continue, i continue to reject him n saying that I don't think I wanna donate bcos of the current state of the game. I'm sorry that I didn't read the rules and tell him the exact phrase such as "I'm gonna withdraw my reservation on the item", but when he said "i think i just reserve for you", i already told him no and I won't donate n buy. I thought that was clear enough. It is not because of someone selling the item cheaper than he is, i already rejected him. Also after I calculate if I did sell all my nx, I will have enough to buy that item without donation, that is why I told him if that person is willing to wait, of cos I will choose to buy the other person's item instead of donate to buy his, that is just my thought on my mind, at that point I haven't really sell any of my nx yet. I understand rules is rules, but for me I thought it was clear enough to him already when i said no. So if u think this is my fault, then I respect your decision too. But just let me know if I'm gonna get ban for hw many days at least I wanna get my item that I'm selling from Auction House. Thank you :)

NOTE : I write down the number from 1st > 2nd > 3rd > 4th below the image, click into the link, thank you.

 
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teejayteejay95

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Good day Spyro,

Understand that what he said might be misleading however, from the 3rd image of his latest post you can see that he said "once he sell, he will confirm buy the Doll's that was reserved to him" and as previously mentioned, he also agreed that he will have no choice but to donate if he is unable to find any buyers for his NX sets. After reserving for a day, he managed to find a seller who is willing to sell at 18k and thereafter he said he would buy from him as his a/w was 18k and that 3k was a huge difference for him and henceforth, withdrawing from the reservation that he has made from me.

Attached is the evidence for proof.

 

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Did u really read wat i send to u on discord? The item is never reserved, I haven't confirm u at all. I said Friday confirm u can or not? From the beginning until now u never admit that I rejected u twice, u dont even wanna post the one I reply NO. After this one I told u to continue n sell it, and i said "I might wait till people buy first then I top up" which i uploaded on the previous reply... Ok even u don't understand that, i told u that I don't wanna top up and buy because of the current state of the game, which part of it is being misleading? U keep on posting stuff that is only advantage to urself and trying to hide those which i deny the reservation or reject u. Like I said I'm only telling u my thoughts about buying an item, at that point I haven't sell any of my nx. I dont wanna argue furthermore I believe Spyro will give us a fair decision :) thank you.

NOTE * In case you didn't see this or save ya time to find it. Also before I send him the screenshot this is wat i told him.


 
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teejayteejay95

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My sincerest apologies to you, iMitsuha. It may be because that I can't comprehend your english or that the way I phrased my words in the discord was hard for you to understand but please do look take a look at the stuffs that were underlined in this image attached.


I would like to remind you that firstly, whatever highlighted in blue was the fact that you've agreed to the reservation of the items. Secondly, whatever was highlighted in pink, clearly shows the dateline we have drawn to deal with the item. Lastly, whatever was highlighted in green shows that you have yet again, agreed to the fact that you would like to reserve the item. So I have no idea why you are trying to deny that you have denied making a reservation for an item that you have agreed twice on? I honestly have no idea why you are trying to make people think that I am manipulating the evidence when you are clearly the one who is denying everything.
 

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My fren I said I will confirm u on Friday, it is up to urself wat u wanna write, or when u said I will js write as reserved, I can tell u no and please write as "HOLD" for me? LOL? that is the reason why u said "I will just write as reserved", if it is already reserved why would u said to me again on the next day "I think I will just reserved for you"?????? Also u agree to keep selling the item until i confirm u on friday, u agreed. I believe u can understand english better than me. I don't deny the fact that I say "OK" "YES" but the truth is i said i will confirm u on friday and the next time u asked me again I said no. It is the truth n fact, I can't make people think that ure manipulating the evidence, u are the one who hiding all the conversation without posting everything. U're acting like watever I tell u after this is not important, for the fact that u agree to keep selling n wait for my confirmation, and the fact that i reject u when u asked on 16/9/2020, u treat all my reply like I never said anything to u after, keep posting stuff from the beginning. Stop acting like we never chat after 9/15/2020, and I send u the screenshot of someone selling 18k straight away, not helpful at all lol.

U wan dateline? Here 9/16/2020
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I don't know if ure trying to be funny or wat man. The Saturday / Sunday is not the date we deal... Ok lemme arrange the chat for u so u can understand better.

1. After the reserve, u asked me how long do I need.
2. I reply u if after this week no ppl buy my nx i will have no choice but to donate and buy, i don't wanna drag u too long.
3. U asked me izzit possible to deal by Sunday. (Seems like u're in a rush)
4. I reply u "hmmm, can i confirm u on Friday" Cos weekend have more people online, i can sell my stuff.
5. Then u reply me u said u have work shift on Friday, so u asked me again Saturday / Sunday?
6. I replied "2 days not sure got ppl buy or not, "YEP" (AT THIS POINT I MEAN I WILL CONFIRM U ON SATURDAY / SUNDAY. IT IS NOT THE DATE WE DEAL, IT IS VERY CLEAR AND OBVIOUS OK? YOU SKIPPED MY CONFIRM YOU ON FRIDAY?) Also I told u Saturday is my bday which means mayb I will confirm u on Sunday.
7. Ok since it is not confirm yet, u said "I will just write as reserve". Correct? Of cos Im gonna answer yes, should I told u write as "HOLD"? "BOOKED?" wat else?

Ok so up until this point, which part u don't understand? lol? After this part which is the part i already uploaded, the one i told u to continue to sell it cos im not sure how long it's gonna take and u agree. If u need me to explain lemme know.
 
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Spyro

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Good day Spyro,

Understand that what he said might be misleading however, from the 3rd image of his latest post you can see that he said "once he sell, he will confirm buy the Doll's that was reserved to him" and as previously mentioned, he also agreed that he will have no choice but to donate if he is unable to find any buyers for his NX sets. After reserving for a day, he managed to find a seller who is willing to sell at 18k and thereafter he said he would buy from him as his a/w was 18k and that 3k was a huge difference for him and henceforth, withdrawing from the reservation that he has made from me.

Attached is the evidence for proof.


To conclude this: (1) the rule for Scamming was meant to protect sellers from false reservation requests in view of potential profit loss; (2) the accused requested for a reservation but notified you within the same day to remove their reservation in the event that they are unable to meet the deadline; therefore, any potential losses would have been greatly minimized.

The fact that you avoided my question reveals your intentions towards this situation and the persistence in trying to keep the player hostage with manipulation of evidence and the rules.

This is an official warning to you in accordance with the Reporting Offenders rule, where no leniency will be given towards subsequent false reports.

Denied.
 
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