Elite Chaos Horntail

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Yes, you read it right!

Elite Chaos Horntail or (echt)

Has a reward system like eczak which requires collection of different type of chaos fragments to exchange for reward.

The new chaos fragments can use to exchange prime scrolls

Objective/purpose :
1. Better game content
2. Reduce the scarcity of prime scrolls

I think like 90% of players do not do Oz PQ like me. This would be a great help to provide alternative way to get prime scrolls. Thanks for reading and have a fruitful day ahead <3.
 
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I'm not on board for this suggestion.

Prime scrolls as you've noted are already obtainable through Tower of Oz. They are incredibly powerful end game scrolls, and as such they should be scarce. I don't like the idea of prime scrolls being obtained by what would be a daily/semi daily chore. If anything this just adds to the monotonous daily content, not 'better' content (in my opinion).

Furthermore, Tower of Oz requires that players put in a good mix/relatively high level of dedication, intellect, perseverance, and skill. Clearly, prime scrolls fit as a reward there.

I'm not entirely opposed to an Elite Chaos Horntail, but I don't believe it would be content deserving of prime scrolls as a reward.
 
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i think you can made for add unleashed scroll exchage from chaos fragments suggest in all elite ch boss,
and Elite Chaos HT is already have in past for chaos ch all boss release time, after few month get close for unknown reason.

i agree all elite ch boss need release at future,
but need setting only can doing 1 times for all elite ch boss everyday.
 
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I'm not on board for this suggestion.

Prime scrolls as you've noted are already obtainable through Tower of Oz. They are incredibly powerful end game scrolls, and as such they should be scarce. I don't like the idea of prime scrolls being obtained by what would be a daily/semi daily chore. If anything this just adds to the monotonous daily content, not 'better' content (in my opinion).

Furthermore, Tower of Oz requires that players put in a good mix/relatively high level of dedication, intellect, perseverance, and skill. Clearly, prime scrolls fit as a reward there.

I'm not entirely opposed to an Elite Chaos Horntail, but I don't believe it would be content deserving of prime scrolls as a reward.

Yeah I agree that prime scrolls are powerful and are meant to be scarce but again to set Tower of Oz as the only way to get it, is a bummer. At least for people like me. I feel like setting Tower of Oz as the only way to obtain it, sort of make the game feels rigid too. Honestly and frankly speaking, most of us don't enjoy doing Tower of Oz. To go through "sufferings" to get a chance to roll a prime scroll is such a bad experience.

Why not we have fun while farming it?
I feel getting drops from killing bosses is the most exciting and fun thing to happen in farming. So yeah that's the reasoning behind my thought process.

Perhaps we can consider increasing the difficulty of echt to maintain the rarity of prime scrolls but we have more options to choose when we want to farm prime scrolls.

Or the reward system could be more interesting? Creativity is our limit only.
 

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Yeah I agree that prime scrolls are powerful and are meant to be scarce but again to set Tower of Oz as the only way to get it, is a bummer. At least for people like me. I feel like setting Tower of Oz as the only way to obtain it, sort of make the game feels rigid too. Honestly and frankly speaking, most of us don't enjoy doing Tower of Oz. To go through "sufferings" to get a chance to roll a prime scroll is such a bad experience.

Why not we have fun while farming it?
I feel getting drops from killing bosses is the most exciting and fun thing to happen in farming. So yeah that's the reasoning behind my thought process.

Perhaps we can consider increasing the difficulty of echt to maintain the rarity of prime scrolls but we have more options to choose when we want to farm prime scrolls.

Or the reward system could be more interesting? Creativity is our limit only.

May I ask what's the use of prime scroll, use on what and have what effect?
 

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i think you can made for add unleashed scroll exchage from chaos fragments suggest in all elite ch boss,
and Elite Chaos HT is already have in past for chaos ch all boss release time, after few month get close for unknown reason.

i agree all elite ch boss need release at future,
but need setting only can doing 1 times for all elite ch boss everyday.

Just a note that @Spyro stated in response to your suggestion in the GPQ thread that unleashed scrolls are unlikely to be added as they are close to prime scrolls (see here).

Yeah I agree that prime scrolls are powerful and are meant to be scarce but again to set Tower of Oz as the only way to get it, is a bummer. At least for people like me. I feel like setting Tower of Oz as the only way to obtain it, sort of make the game feels rigid too. Honestly and frankly speaking, most of us don't enjoy doing Tower of Oz. To go through "sufferings" to get a chance to roll a prime scroll is such a bad experience.

Why not we have fun while farming it?
I feel getting drops from killing bosses is the most exciting and fun thing to happen in farming. So yeah that's the reasoning behind my thought process.

Perhaps we can consider increasing the difficulty of echt to maintain the rarity of prime scrolls but we have more options to choose when we want to farm prime scrolls.

Or the reward system could be more interesting? Creativity is our limit only.

You can't have everything be enjoyable for everyone, especially when you have to factor in a difficulty aspect into the game. For example, those who cannot stand doing MP for hours gain meso in some other way and purchase items from MP runners. I'm sure you can think of other examples.

At this point I'm unsure what your suggestion is really asking for. If you're advocating for the release of an ECHT, then you should put more effort and create a variety of potential rewards with some justification for them (it's not up to us, but up to you to craft your suggestion and conjure up ideas). If you're asking for an alternative way to obtain prime scrolls, I don't think this is the way to do that. A more fairly reasonable suggestion to do that can be seen here (and even that was denied).

All in all, there are tons of end game items that are only obtainable uniquely from one piece of content. In addition, we can perfectly scroll with +9 stat and we can star easily with protection, giving us a significant range boost and decrease in game difficulty from the get go. So, in my opinion, prime scrolls are a luxury that should remain as the ultimate end game scroll, and this is not a good alternative to obtaining them.

May I ask what's the use of prime scroll, use on what and have what effect?
Here's an example of a prime scroll (or 9th anniversary prime scroll). Thy are extremely powerful end game scrolls.
 
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Just a note that @Spyro stated in response to your suggestion in the GPQ thread that unleashed scrolls are unlikely to be added as they are close to prime scrolls (see here).



You can't have everything be enjoyable for everyone, especially when you have to factor in a difficulty aspect into the game. For example, those who cannot stand doing MP for hours gain meso in some other way and purchase items from MP runners. I'm sure you can think of other examples.

At this point I'm unsure what your suggestion is really asking for. If you're advocating for the release of an ECHT, then you should put more effort and create a variety of potential rewards with some justification for them (it's not up to us, but up to you to craft your suggestion and conjure up ideas). If you're asking for an alternative way to obtain prime scrolls, I don't think this is the way to do that. A more fairly reasonable suggestion to do that can be seen here (and even that was denied).

All in all, there are tons of end game items that are only obtainable uniquely from one piece of content. In addition, we can perfectly scroll with +9 stat and we can star easily with protection, giving us a significant range boost and decrease in game difficulty from the get go. So, in my opinion, prime scrolls are a luxury that should remain as the ultimate end game scroll, and this is not a good alternative to obtaining them.


Here's an example of a prime scroll (or 9th anniversary prime scroll). Thy are extremely powerful end game scrolls.

You may look at the purpose of the suggestion stated above.

If I wouldn't do Tower of Oz, would you think I would structure well the whole suggestion thing for a chance to get approved? Hahaha
I am just voicing out my opinion that I felt it would be great benefit to the players. In the end of the day, it is the players' interest that matters. Nowadays players don't enjoy this kind of difficulty you speak of, bro. This kind of farming will just die off sooner or later. People would like to see progression for the effort and time they have invested. For Tower of Oz, it requires so much of time and effort for such a little progression especially when its based on RNG.

let me share you an example,

My friend started playing brawl star last month and he has been enjoying himself so much because as he plays he can see that after every matches he played, his character is getting stronger and he loves the style of the game!

Unlike this,

Majority don't do Oz because it is time consuming and anti-fun.
and now you factor in the RNG for the reward. Its like adding salt onto the wound.

It hurts so much both emotionally and mentally when you don't get a decent RNG.


If we can get 10% who enjoys farming prime scrolls currently to more than 10%, isn't it better? I feel that the MP runs example is not on point because we can see the progression there. I'm not implying that we should make things simple and easy to be enjoyable but I'm saying that we should make the process fun and we can see a progress.

The unique obtainable endgame item you mentioned, is it like arcane equips?
If so, you only need one of them, bro.
This is scroll that has 40% chance to pass only which probably you will need more than 10?

To put the same difficulty and the only way to obtain it similar as endgame item is just unwise. The ratio doesn't fit!

Lastly, we can adjust the difficulty of echt (or maybe limit the entry to once per week? Just a suggestion) to suit the need of difficulty aspect and maintain the luxurious aspect but this time with process that is generally fun. How it should be adjusted, I leave it to GM simply because I'm not working for Aries but we can refine it for them. For the ideas to come only for me, would be a bad idea as we all have our lackings and view from different perspectives.

Thanks for the feedback and the effort and time poured into this. Previously, I don't know those information that you have shared. Thanks for pointing it out <3.
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May I ask what's the use of prime scroll, use on what and have what effect?

It's like super scroll but better! Hehe
For further information, you may ask uncle Google.
 
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You may look at the purpose of the suggestion stated above.

If I wouldn't do Tower of Oz, would you think I would structure well the whole suggestion thing for a chance to get approved? Hahaha
I am just voicing out my opinion that I felt it would be great benefit to the players. In the end of the day, it is the players' interest that matters. Nowadays players don't enjoy this kind of difficulty you speak of, bro. This kind of farming will just die off sooner or later. People would like to see progression for the effort and time they have invested. For Tower of Oz, it requires so much of time and effort for such a little progression especially when its based on RNG.

let me share you an example,

My friend started playing brawl star last month and he has been enjoying himself so much because as he plays he can see that after every matches he played, his character is getting stronger and he loves the style of the game!

Unlike this,

Majority don't do Oz because it is time consuming and anti-fun.
and now you factor in the RNG for the reward. Its like adding salt onto the wound.

It hurts so much both emotionally and mentally when you don't get a decent RNG.


If we can get 10% who enjoys farming prime scrolls currently to more than 10%, isn't it better? I feel that the MP runs example is not on point because we can see the progression there. I'm not implying that we should make things simple and easy to be enjoyable but I'm saying that we should make the process fun and we can see a progress.

The unique obtainable endgame item you mentioned, is it like arcane equips?
If so, you only need one of them, bro.
This is scroll that has 40% chance to pass only which probably you will need more than 10?

To put the same difficulty and the only way to obtain it similar as endgame item is just unwise. The ratio doesn't fit!

Lastly, we can adjust the difficulty of echt (or maybe limit the entry to once per week? Just a suggestion) to suit the need of difficulty aspect and maintain the luxurious aspect but this time with process that is generally fun. How it should be adjusted, I leave it to GM simply because I'm not working for Aries but we can refine it for them. For the ideas to come only for me, would be a bad idea as we all have our lackings and view from different perspectives.

Thanks for the feedback and the effort and time poured into this. Previously, I don't know those information that you have shared. Thanks for pointing it out <3.
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It's like super scroll but better! Hehe
For further information, you may ask uncle Google.
Exactly
 
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