AriesMS Downfall

[natsuend]

There use to be like 1400+ Players Online, I even analyzed the base throughout the day and it still hasn't been to that limit regardless of time-zones, I guess people are finally seeing that Aries won't release the Black Mage Update. Aries Downfall Begins.. They always update to the next version, but no one really returns or cares considering it doesn't mean anything, nothing new is being released, regardless how long it takes, could've stayed in v206. Not like going to v207 makes a difference. Oh sorry it does. deleting 400b+ of items in AH with no compensation. No Black Mage Update, Lost 900+ Players, AH with no compensation. Oof. The downfall begins. Regardless whether or not I mentioned AH, they still upgrade to now say, "Hey, we're upgrading so you know we are up with GMS!". Yikes.

I guess that's why they're called AriesMS.
Cause they're only going to be a better server than GMS in their dreams.
Guess they'll never be stars.​

 

[JarJarStinks]

School started so a lot of players are busy, not having time for the server...

The auction house items being virtually wiped out of existence is good for the economy, and so it is good for the server. TBH i'd prefer a wipe. Who cares if anyone cries about it, its good for the server. Maybe one time wipe..


Updating to new versions introduces new items for SSB, which is good for server upkeep as new SSB brings in $..

Implementing new bosses, example black mage, again, must be thought out carefully in the way the rewards are implemented and the daily/weekly rewards to prevent destroying the economy and to make sure exploiters/cheaters don't move ahead of other players..

Obviously, the server not having black mage is not a downfall, neither is the recent Auction House problem, as the servers been doing fine for the past like 3 years without these..

anyways, what I do feel would help...

The ways to earn currency in this server are very boring, absolutely horrendous. However it seems all the methods of earning currency in this server are very carefully nitpicked & thought thoroughly through to prevent exploiters and cheaters from progressing any faster than others.

1 - Party Quest, tedious & boring
2 - Monster Park, tedious & boring
3 - Bossing, fun, but limited (no need to fix bossing)

these three methods which are the only ways I believe are actual features of the server that are good for earning currency are mostly just very boring and tedious, there needs to be implementation of new features to make it more fun, these features have to be something where the player engages in the core of the game, killing monsters..

What the server needs is..

The introduction of a fun way of earning currency while still needing to progress far into the game that differentiates itself to the alternative method of earning currency, for lower level players which should remain Monster Park, a very tedious and boring way of earning currency.

Players need a incentive to progress through the game to find a more fun and slightly more rewarding way to earn currency, they need something to expect, a reward after grinding through the hell hole of Monster Park..

Bossing is nice, but as we know, bossing has a daily limit. So what do people turn to after daily bossing ? Monster Park...

Introduce Mu Lung Dojo to the server, as a better alternative to Monster Park, the Light at the end of the tunnel.

First for this to work, Monster Park needs to be nerfed a bit. Drop Monster Parks highest earnings per hour from 4b to 3b.

Next, Increase Mu Lung Dojo earnings to 4.5b a hour, introduce its own form of currency, like Monster Park coins and add a shop, add whatever you want into the shop I'm not getting into that, just make sure people really need or want it.

Keep the Dojo in the same style it is, as clearing bosses.

To prevent exploiters and cheaters or make things very tedious for them :

- Have a level requirement, like 245+ to start a Dojo run
- Require a minimum of x Arcane Force in the Mu Lung stages map to properly Damage Bosses, forcing people to get 5th job and farm at arcane river.
Buff bosses.. Idk think of some other methods
- Require players to collect certain items to start a Mu Lung Dojo run, something like Monster Park tickets


Make leeching in mu lung dojo slightly more rewarding than Monster Park :

- Have a higher level requirement for monster park 235+

This way lower levels will still Party together at Monster Park

Make farming for currency slightly better. People enjoy free roaming mobs more rewarding, people love farming free roaming mobs.

To prevent exploiters an cheaters :
Increase NX & meso just a tad bit more than it currently is, to ELITE mobs & bosses only
Buff Elite mobs & bosses defense

Allow for leechers to gain their own % of NX from each mob & boss killed in Elite channel parties


Make/Keep Bossing as the best way to make meso and the only way to obtain the boss gears, continuing the incentive to boss.

All of these suggestions also promote players to be around each other more..

 

[PlatRedditAccount]

I even analyzed the base throughout the day and it still hasn't been to that limit regardless of time-zones,

Yes because everybody clearly has no school, no work and no irl commitments other than to play mushroom game.

Lost 900+ Players

LF> proof and not just words.
Do kindly remember to cite your sources!

they still upgrade to now say, "Hey, we're upgrading so you know we are up with GMS!"

i believe that they upgrade so people can download with Nexon Launcher, or to avoid a repeat of the NGS issue?

 

[Jermmodia]

LOL

 

[babykip5]

I think 1400 players you mentioned before base on New boss update (Will) few months ago + new class Pathfinder + events and some top/Active players / master of a Guild got banned leads to their friends/guildmate also quit too. The result is Aries will have more people when there is a event is happenning / new Bosses (after Gloom) / New classes, Link skill, 5th common,... in the future.

 

[Ibitsu]

Monster park is the most retarded thing ever playing a class you don't like to farm 24/7 hell fking no.

 

[e900003]

Introduce Mu Lung Dojo to the server, as a better alternative to Monster Park, the Light at the end of the tunnel.

Dojo already have in this server, but no one farming dojo due to some item in Dojo shop is useless in nowday.

First for this to work, Monster Park needs to be nerfed a bit. Drop Monster Parks highest earnings per hour from 4b to 3b.

Look mean is make MP mob change to GMS version?
MP mob hp is higher from old LHC in GMS, its not nice in this server,
and its keep going downfall when change to GMS version MP mob HP.

To prevent exploiters and cheaters or make things very tedious for them :

- Have a level requirement, like 245+ to start a Dojo run
- Require a minimum of x Arcane Force in the Mu Lung stages map to properly Damage Bosses, forcing people to get 5th job and farm at arcane river.
Buff bosses.. Idk think of some other methods
- Require players to collect certain items to start a Mu Lung Dojo run, something like Monster Park tickets

1. Arcane Power requirement is from Wz setting, not in server side.
2. About Dojo Boss, Dojo Boss have nerfed due to some setting is missing in here, not is buff dojo boss self,
in here need adding have those list:
- Auto teleport from boss self every few second.
- random Bomb in every boss killed.
- Stop timer when killed boss.

Make leeching in mu lung dojo slightly more rewarding than Monster Park :

About leech for Dojo, please no, its so boring,
you want player going lazy due to leech can getting some point/reward?

To prevent exploiters an cheaters :
Increase NX & meso just a tad bit more than it currently is, to ELITE mobs & bosses only
Buff Elite mobs & bosses defense

Allow for leechers to gain their own % of NX from each mob & boss killed in Elite channel parties

think this setting is not good in here, because is going more boring due to always leech for getting more NX.

In conclusion:
I know some list is suggestion list, but in here your some suggestion is cant apply due to this is GMS-like server,
and your Dojo suggestion, its different Dojo type for farming,
think is need revamp for Dojo shop and add Daily reward from KPQ/HPQ, not is Dojo self.

 

[JarJarStinks]

Dojo already have in this server, but no one farming dojo due to some item in Dojo shop is useless in nowday.


Look mean is make MP mob change to GMS version?
MP mob hp is higher from old LHC in GMS, its not nice in this server,
and its keep going downfall when change to GMS version MP mob HP.


1. Arcane Power requirement is from Wz setting, not in server side.
2. About Dojo Boss, Dojo Boss have nerfed due to some setting is missing in here, not is buff dojo boss self,
in here need adding have those list:
- Auto teleport from boss self every few second.
- random Bomb in every boss killed.
- Stop timer when killed boss.


About leech for Dojo, please no, its so boring,
you want player going lazy due to leech can getting some point/reward?


think this setting is not good in here, because is going more boring due to always leech for getting more NX.

In conclusion:
I know some list is suggestion list, but in here your some suggestion is cant apply due to this is GMS-like server,
and your Dojo suggestion, its different Dojo type for farming,
think is need revamp for Dojo shop and add Daily reward from KPQ/HPQ, not is Dojo self.

Dojo already have in this server, but no one farming dojo due to some item in Dojo shop is useless in nowday.

Uh yeah ? My suggestions are to improve it ????


Look mean is make MP mob change to GMS version?
MP mob hp is higher from old LHC in GMS, its not nice in this server,
and its keep going downfall when change to GMS version MP mob HP.

Why are you talking about Monster Park, mob health ? never did I mention anything about that ?
I only mentioned nerfing the most amount of earnings you get per hour from 4b to 3b per hour which will make my Mu Lung Dojo suggestion more viable, while also not messing with the economy ??

Also the Mob HP in Monster Park is literally nothing ? I can make a unfunded Zero with no scrolled or cubed gear, only free Pinnacle gear and then get a few damage increasing link skills and be able to do any Monster Park challenge


1. Arcane Power requirement is from Wz setting, not in server side.

I'm quite positive a coder can get past having to WZ edit to make changes to WZ by making changes in the source.
I've seen it before myself.
And if they're not able to tinker with Arcane Force in particular they can implement their own "Arcane Force" type of debuff for Mu Lung Dojo..

Example
have a limit to how "normal" your damage can be.. 50% of your maximum damage at dojo ?
having to farm certain items from something difficult & tedious.. difficult & tedious ? example bosses to increase your damage from only 10% at Dojo bosses
You can only do certain bosses daily (Hard Von Bon, Hard Hilla etc), have people be required to fight some of the lower tier hard bosses to give incentive to having good range & something to look forward to (Mu Lung Dojo)
Have bosses (example Hard Von Bon, Hard Hilla, Normal Magnus, Hard Pierre, etc) have a chance to drop the item that you can bring to Dojo NPC to increase your damage until it is normal at Mu Lung Dojo..
(You start off by doing 10& of your damage and as you bring these boss drops to the Mu Lung NPC you regain more of your normal damage ?
5% every so boss drops ?)



These are just quickly thought out ways of making it difficult to make Mu Lung Dojo viable, but in the end very rewarding & fun, also preventing exploiters and cheaters from reaching it easily, etc..

2. About Dojo Boss, Dojo Boss have nerfed due to some setting is missing in here, not is buff dojo boss self,
in here need adding have those list:
- Auto teleport from boss self every few second.
- random Bomb in every boss killed.
- Stop timer when killed boss.

All of which I'm sure they can easily implement, the bomb thing is pretty useless not sure why you mentioned that but ok ? I guess the bombs coul prevent botters if they 1 hit k.o but have a small AOE so you have to dodge, so maybe i'm wrong they could be useful


About leech for Dojo, please no, its so boring,
you want player going lazy due to leech can getting some point/reward?
think this setting is not good in here, because is going more boring due to always leech for getting more NX.

uhmmmmmm...... People already leech literally everywhere else ? People leech at bossess, people leech at monster park, people leech at normal mobs, people leech at party quest, etc etc.

You don't HAVE to leech at any of these places. Neither would you HAVE to leech at Mu Lung Dojo, its your own choice.
Leech is good for the little amount of interaction player have with each other, just having player around is nice & it low key promotes interacting
It also adds a sense of feeling good, a sense of reward that you've progressed far enough to be able to help other people..


In conclusion:

in conclusion ? this isn't a story mate..

I know some list is suggestion list, but in here your some suggestion is cant apply due to this is GMS-like server,

I forgot the server was GMS like, but now that I remember I have this to say :
Staff always asking for suggestions to make the server better
At this point, what are you going to do when the server has a GIANT BARRIER preventing it from being a lot better than it already is ?
GMS like is just a stupid title that prevents the server from improving in a lot of ways. Its quite apparent that the server features are boring beyond a doubt, players have been complaining about this for years and more to come.. People tolerate this because the server isn't bad but its the only one up to date.


and your Dojo suggestion, its different Dojo type for farming,

Huh ? let me be honest here, I barely understood most of what you said while reading through this reply to me. So I wouldn't really expect you to understand much of what I'm saying or my points either..

Nonetheless, My Dojo suggestion "its different Dojo type for farming" ugh yeah ? its a suggestion for improvement ?

think is need revamp for Dojo shop and add Daily reward from KPQ/HPQ, not is Dojo self.
Listen mate, no one cares about Party Quest, not many players want to do them & how is changing the rewards from party quest going to make it less tedious & more fun ???
Party Quest is fine right now, in the sense that it isn't making the server more or less boring. What needs to be done is adding something new, that IS fun and IS rewarding for progressing in the game. A new feature the is more rewarding in $ then what we currently have, EXCEPT for bossing because bossing should always be at the top.

So I know I mostly repeated myself in this reply, I won't be replying to this thread anymore.. If anyone wants to argue about this feel free.. but you'll probably be wrong anyways these are just suggestions to improvement, they can only be improvements. They are good improvements that will make the server better. nothing to argue about.

 

[PlatRedditAccount]

I'm quite positive a coder can get past having to WZ edit to make changes to WZ by making changes in the source.

We don't do custom wz edit.

but you'll probably be wrong anyways

Clearly.

 

[Spyro]

School started so a lot of players are busy, not having time for the server...

The auction house items being virtually wiped out of existence is good for the economy, and so it is good for the server. TBH i'd prefer a wipe. Who cares if anyone cries about it, its good for the server. Maybe one time wipe..


Updating to new versions introduces new items for SSB, which is good for server upkeep as new SSB brings in $..

Implementing new bosses, example black mage, again, must be thought out carefully in the way the rewards are implemented and the daily/weekly rewards to prevent destroying the economy and to make sure exploiters/cheaters don't move ahead of other players..

Obviously, the server not having black mage is not a downfall, neither is the recent Auction House problem, as the servers been doing fine for the past like 3 years without these..

anyways, what I do feel would help...

The ways to earn currency in this server are very boring, absolutely horrendous. However it seems all the methods of earning currency in this server are very carefully nitpicked & thought thoroughly through to prevent exploiters and cheaters from progressing any faster than others.

1 - Party Quest, tedious & boring
2 - Monster Park, tedious & boring
3 - Bossing, fun, but limited (no need to fix bossing)

these three methods which are the only ways I believe are actual features of the server that are good for earning currency are mostly just very boring and tedious, there needs to be implementation of new features to make it more fun, these features have to be something where the player engages in the core of the game, killing monsters..

What the server needs is..

The introduction of a fun way of earning currency while still needing to progress far into the game that differentiates itself to the alternative method of earning currency, for lower level players which should remain Monster Park, a very tedious and boring way of earning currency.

Players need a incentive to progress through the game to find a more fun and slightly more rewarding way to earn currency, they need something to expect, a reward after grinding through the hell hole of Monster Park..

Bossing is nice, but as we know, bossing has a daily limit. So what do people turn to after daily bossing ? Monster Park...

Introduce Mu Lung Dojo to the server, as a better alternative to Monster Park, the Light at the end of the tunnel.

First for this to work, Monster Park needs to be nerfed a bit. Drop Monster Parks highest earnings per hour from 4b to 3b.

Next, Increase Mu Lung Dojo earnings to 4.5b a hour, introduce its own form of currency, like Monster Park coins and add a shop, add whatever you want into the shop I'm not getting into that, just make sure people really need or want it.

Keep the Dojo in the same style it is, as clearing bosses.

To prevent exploiters and cheaters or make things very tedious for them :

- Have a level requirement, like 245+ to start a Dojo run
- Require a minimum of x Arcane Force in the Mu Lung stages map to properly Damage Bosses, forcing people to get 5th job and farm at arcane river.
Buff bosses.. Idk think of some other methods
- Require players to collect certain items to start a Mu Lung Dojo run, something like Monster Park tickets


Make leeching in mu lung dojo slightly more rewarding than Monster Park :

- Have a higher level requirement for monster park 235+

This way lower levels will still Party together at Monster Park

Make farming for currency slightly better. People enjoy free roaming mobs more rewarding, people love farming free roaming mobs.

To prevent exploiters an cheaters :
Increase NX & meso just a tad bit more than it currently is, to ELITE mobs & bosses only
Buff Elite mobs & bosses defense

Allow for leechers to gain their own % of NX from each mob & boss killed in Elite channel parties


Make/Keep Bossing as the best way to make meso and the only way to obtain the boss gears, continuing the incentive to boss.

All of these suggestions also promote players to be around each other more..

The only reason why Monster Park is the most sought after option is due to Super Scrolls and Star Force boxes.

I personally do not advocate Monster Park nor these boxes, but since they were already in the game from the beginning it's practically impossible to remove them and avoid devastating effects on both the market and equality of items.

Your points are constructive, however, a simple revamp to Dojo won't easily allow it to compete with Monster Park because of the above-mentioned.

 

[Alex]

The only reason why Monster Park is the most sought after option is due to Super Scrolls and Star Force boxes.

I personally do not advocate Monster Park nor these boxes, but since they were already in the game from the beginning it's practically impossible to remove them and avoid devastating effects on both the market and equality of items.

Your points are constructive, however, a simple revamp to Dojo won't easily allow it to compete with Monster Park because of the above-mentioned.

nope but who ever said the revamp to dojo had to be simple.

what you need is a variety of content that is well planned and executed, something that doesn't seem to be focused on with aries for the past how long?

since these boxes are already available and are such an integral part of the game, I think it's time that you consider taking other items away from Monster Park that make it so powerful such as the various kinds of scrolls, etc and placing them elsewhere so that people will need to do a variety of things to get the needed items to complete their items.

dead grinding one piece of content (MP) is repetitive, and boring. Unfortunately life isn't fair and when life changes there's nothing you can do to stop it, that exact logic needs to be recognized on Aries. Nothing is going to be fair 100% and never will be fair 100% because that's simply not how it works.

 

[meat]

School started so a lot of players are busy, not having time for the server...

I don't remember the server having 1400 players online at once except for a short time in Spring 2018 and maybe Jan-Feb 2017.

The auction house items being virtually wiped out of existence is good for the economy, and so it is good for the server. TBH i'd prefer a wipe. Who cares if anyone cries about it, its good for the server. Maybe one time wipe..

It's almost certain there will never be one because that would drive a large portion of the playerbase away, while not fixing the underlying issues with Aries' economy, like imbalanced content, lack of resource sinks, etc.

Implementing new bosses, example black mage, again, must be thought out carefully in the way the rewards are implemented and the daily/weekly rewards to prevent destroying the economy and to make sure exploiters/cheaters don't move ahead of other players..

Obviously, the server not having black mage is not a downfall, neither is the recent Auction House problem, as the servers been doing fine for the past like 3 years without these..

Having the most up to date content isn't that important. The various servers the creator of ElliniaMS has released still get 1k+ players online at a time because they have a good progression system. That shows how much people value a progression system that feels good; they're willing to play a server with an owner that is a sociopath and compulsive liar that closes every couple months over a stable server like Aries.

 

[BgFT]

I don't remember the server having 1400 players online at once except for a short time in Spring 2018 and maybe Jan-Feb 2017.


It's almost certain there will never be one because that would drive a large portion of the playerbase away, while not fixing the underlying issues with Aries' economy, like imbalanced content, lack of resource sinks, etc.


Having the most up to date content isn't that important. The various servers the creator of ElliniaMS has released still get 1k+ players online at a time because they have a good progression system. That shows how much people value a progression system that feels good; they're willing to play a server with an owner that is a sociopath and compulsive liar that closes every couple months over a stable server like Aries.

Calling ElliniaMS good progress Lmao people play it 30 days then quit when they reach end game... and then the server plumets into inflation when they tried to stop it last time no one sold dp....

 

[Prexcc]

Downfall is when I get blocked from playing because I can;t change my password and the staff wont reply to a forum message for months XD

 

[meat]

Calling ElliniaMS good progress Lmao people play it 30 days then quit when they reach end game... and then the server plumets into inflation when they tried to stop it last time no one sold dp....

When Ellinia 3 was released in 2017, it tore away the majority of Aries' population. The population plunged from 1000+ to 300 and didn't recover until fall. Ellinia's custom content and progression curve (not perfect, but better than grinding MP all day) are very attractive to a large portion of the MSPS playerbase, which is why almost each time it has released it has enjoyed 1k+ players online at a time, despite that server's many shortcomings.

Lately, Ellinia has suffered from something I call the "Yandere/Overly Attached Girlfriend" effect. The owner, "October", often implements measures to slow down progression in the hope that people will donate more to progress. However, like how some people may be repulsed by the yandere overly attached gf trope, October's efforts to slow down progression end up driving people away from the server, because if players can't reach the custom content that server is known for, why not play Aries instead?

Aries' GMs won't arbitrarily do stupid shit like giving 30 day bans to anyone with a certain party composition like October is fond of doing, and a player will (probably) still have their stuff on Aries a year from now if they decide to take a break, unlike Ellinia. On the old forums I had even posted a chart showing that Aries had been absorbing the population of the version of Ellinia that was out at the time (Ossyria) after October had implemented a particularly severe nerf to slow down progression. Too bad October decided to hide the population display on the main page. A defining trait of sociopaths is that they're unable to learn from their mistakes, something October has demonstrated time and time again.

Also, the reason people were reaching endgame in 30 days in the latest versions of Ellinia was because there was a public damage hack available. GMs were also being paid to spawn items and bosses for people.

 

[kirbyy]

A wipe would be good. Fresh start

 

[meat]

A wipe would be good. Fresh start

Wiping the server would be exciting for many players, but a wipe would betray and alienate the core audience of Aries which has remained loyal to it for years, so there will never be one. Also, a wipe wouldn't be a long term fix for the economic and progression problems Aries has been struggling with.

Talking about wipes also gets threads locked, so we should try to stay away from that subject.