15 stars and beyond

[aziyana]

Right now aries is completely dominated by MP this is a problem as both new and old players farm the same thing the focus of mp is cause of 2 big things.
1. New players will always need super scrolls and sapphire boxes so there is always a buyer
2. All non-boss mobs having meso drop limited to 40k

However now with the 25 star update there is an option to break this hold MP has over the server introducing:
"arcane" coins dropped by mobs in vanishing journey untill lachelein that would allow you to buy sapphire boxes that would take you from 15* till 20/22*
And another type of coins dropped by mobs beyond lachelein that would allow you to buy sapphire boxes for 20/22* to 25*

Unfunded people will still have MP to farm and sell boxes while the more funded players will now have the option of something new

Just like MP these new coins will always have buyers as people will always be progressing to that full 25* equip tab
ofcourse the droprate(and if drop rate affects them) and the amount of coins needed to buy one of these boxes needs to be tested

 

[EAGames]

or you can go MP and earn the boxes.. why try and take funding away from newer players?

 

[aziyana]

as i said the unfunded players are still able to farm both super scrolls and sapphire boxes
sapphire boxes would only go to 15* while the boxes bought with the "arcane" coins would allow you to use the sapphire boxes from 16>25*

 

[bawa]

or you can go MP and earn the boxes.. why try and take funding away from newer players?

it's like you didn't read anything said lmao

 

[Hene]

I'm definitely in favour of getting rid of mp being the #1 source of farming regardless of your point in the game but i'm not too sure the method of obtaining said boxes. Wonder if its possible to just simply use the built in safeguard system and just create a pseudo mesosink.

 

[aziyana]

right now it doesnt matter if ur 5k stat or 50k stat both will be farming MP wich just feels weird

the suggestion is mostly based on the fact i dont want the devs to put even more emphasis on farming mp but instead have us out in maps killing mobs
ofcourse this brings another problem namely botting and killstealing. to combat this to some degree i suggested that only mobs past lachelein would be able to drop the coins for 20>25* you could go to an extreme and say only elite mobs past lachelein could drop them but the how and what is something for the devs to decide on

 

[EAGames]

no i read the post, but my point is why not just use mp boxes from 1-25. Bc you'd rather not pay for MP boxes is the main answer.

 

[EAGames]

Another reason to why end/mid game players would want this is bc then they can farm mesos/these coins ur referring to/ and nodes all at once.

 

[EAGames]

whcih takes away from new players funding themselves. mid/end game players can make more farming at higher lvl mobs for meso/nx//tcoins/old maple coins/ and nodes.

 

[Hene]

no i read the post, but my point is why not just use mp boxes from 1-25. Bc you'd rather not pay for MP boxes is the main answer.

This is just flat out wrong. By all metrics paying for mp boxes would be 100% the easiest way to get to 25 star, the suggestion at hand is to take away the near ultimate power mp has on the server. No matter what stage of the game you are in you need mp which is bonkers cause its an activity everybody can do.

Another reason to why end/mid game players would want this is bc then they can farm mesos/these coins ur referring to/ and nodes all at once.

The main reason why they want this is diversification of farming. By mmo standards it makes absolutely 0 sense why a person who is only a week or two in should be able to farm at the same place as somebody who has put 100s of hours into the game simply because there are next to no better alternatives.

whcih takes away from new players funding themselves. mid/end game players can make more farming at higher lvl mobs for meso/nx//tcoins/old maple coins/ and nodes.

New players will still be able to grind out for super scrolls, sapphire boxes(up to 15* which will still be needed, just not to the same extent as previous) and shield scrolls that players still need. Newer players already have an easy time funding themselves to almost the same rate as a person at 60-70k stat (with the exception of bossing but even that can be a diceroll with drops). Players who are further into the game should 100% be able to grind more meso because they need more meso in order to progress through the game. You could fund a class to 15-20k with the same amount of meso that it would cost to make an end game player 1 item.

 

[EAGames]

Id agree that they should increase the meso cap to maybe 50/60k for higher lvl mobs, bc it would make sense after all the effort given to reach this point there should be some type of reward for getting this far.
MP boxes would increase in value after the 25* is introduced.

 

[EAGames]

But taking away from the newer players main source of funding doesnt make sense imo. MP is boring af and if you are able to stay there for hours you it shouldnt matter what point in the game you at.
Reason why i think that this would take away from the newer players is bc less people would be buying MP boxes if you idea is implemented leaving newer players stranded to an extent.

 

[aziyana]

you are clearly NOT reading my post new players can still farm the current sapphire and super scrolls there will always be people who will need to buy super scrolls and sapphire boxes to get to 15* these new sapphire boxes that could be bought using my suggested "arcane" coins would only allow usage on items above 15*

also if the current MP boxes let you get to 25* changing the mob drops to 60k max isnt going to do ANYTHING

 

[EAGames]

I am reading you post but your only looking at the issue for your end. Less people would be buying boxes since most mid/endgame ppl would be farming your coins if it was implemented. And newer players wouldnt be able to afford to buy boxes so they would farm them. Which would take away from MP boxes selling.

 

[EAGames]

10 boxes roughly = 1.2 - 1.3b if you are lucky. Its not alot of meso in all honesty.
Have you ever timed how long it takes to get 8k coins?

 

[EAGames]

You can easily earn more then 1.2b farming in a Morass map. includeing nx/meso/coins/nodes. MP farming isnt the best source of meso if you are mid/end game. What i dont understand is why you think it is.?
i do agree on one thing in this thread. That there should be something mid/end game players should benefit from after the hours of work they put in.
Like my example of increase meso cap or something of the sort.

 

[EAGames]

But just to rephrase it again. MP Farming is not better then grinding in a higher mob level map per/hr. Sure its close but at the same time MP farming is boring as it can get. There is nothing exciting about doing it for hours, and those who can should be rewarded.

And im currently in Mid game your idea would benefit me aswell if it was implemented since i have no need for admin/sapp boxes. Since almost all of my gear is scrolled/starred. I have no reason to purchase any MP boxes.

 

[Poro]

I am reading you post but your only looking at the issue for your end. Less people would be buying boxes since most mid/endgame ppl would be farming your coins if it was implemented. And newer players wouldnt be able to afford to buy boxes so they would farm them. Which would take away from MP boxes selling.

10 boxes roughly = 1.2 - 1.3b if you are lucky. Its not alot of meso in all honesty.
Have you ever timed how long it takes to get 8k coins?

You can easily earn more then 1.2b farming in a Morass map. includeing nx/meso/coins/nodes. MP farming isnt the best source of meso if you are mid/end game. What i dont understand is why you think it is.?
i do agree on one thing in this thread. That there should be something mid/end game players should benefit from after the hours of work they put in.
Like my example of increase meso cap or something of the sort.

But just to rephrase it again. MP Farming is not better then grinding in a higher mob level map per/hr. Sure its close but at the same time MP farming is boring as it can get. There is nothing exciting about doing it for hours, and those who can should be rewarded.

And im currently in Mid game your idea would benefit me aswell if it was implemented since i have no need for admin/sapp boxes. Since almost all of my gear is scrolled/starred. I have no reason to purchase any MP boxes.

Off-topic:
Just going to point out you should stop multiposting as the action is generally frowned upon and since the edit button exists for a reason.

On-topic:
On the note on MP boxes, while there are other sources that may grant a bit more, MP is still one of the highest profit sources which, as noted earlier, make no real sense. The other reason why Sapphires should NOT be allowed past 15 is due to the nature of the bonuses of stars past 15. Allowing them to protect for 16+ stars would result in an extreme powerspike across all classes which is potentially unhealthy to the game. That plus the fact that MP is also has botting issues adds to the fact that this is an unhealthy choice toward the progression of the game.

At the same time, I don't really see your logic for letting MP boxes be able to protect. All you have been saying is "new players profit" but you don't seem to see that new players for a large portion of their playtime are locked into MP farming for money and to upgrade their own gears. Making these come from another source would not only allow new players to have the option to farm something else but also make it a level playing field as well as introducing a new item to stimulate the stagnant economy with.

 

[Adjourn]

In my opinion, this is unreasonably complicating in terms of how the 25* should be obtained. There is no reason to add two different coin shops for starring from 15-25. That's just plain out unreasonable. Why add limitations to the sapphire boxes just to add 2 new sapphire boxes in order to achieve 15-25*? This is plainly an unfair advantage for those who have just started in comparison to those who played for months. You may say that it's easy to get to that level of funding, but that's not true to everyone. People should all work through the same process in earning these sapphire boxes. In the end, I just think it's pretty unreasonable and we should keep it traditional like how its been for the past years.

Edit: I really don't care if sapphire boxes are to not work above 15 stars or not, but my point is, if it were to be the case, then I would prefer to be kept in the tradition that it has been in.

 

[Poro]

In my opinion, this is unreasonably complicating in terms of how the 25* should be obtained. There is no reason to add two different coin shops for starring from 15-25. That's just plain out unreasonable. Why add limitations to the sapphire boxes just to add 2 new sapphire boxes in order to achieve 15-25*? This is plainly an unfair advantage for those who have just started in comparison to those who played for months. You may say that it's easy to get to that level of funding, but that's not true to everyone. People should all work through the same process in earning these sapphire boxes. In the end, I just think it's pretty unreasonable and we should keep it traditional like how its been for the past years.

I actually don't see how this is unfair to new players. No one has anything that reaches 25 star at the moment, it would actually be equal opportunity for everyone to farm and sell.

If anything, I'm of the opinion we should ditch sapphire boxes entirely and simply adopt the GMS method of Safeguard till 17 star and risk booms till 22.